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Official deck help thread
RE: Official deck help thread 01-21-2014, 08:35 PM
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(01-21-2014 06:51 PM)Shinespark Wrote:  
(01-21-2014 04:05 PM)Marvellous Wrote:  My question is about ordering special abilities like QS, LS, DS, SD,MR,FB

Are there any recommended combinations for these? Is there a thread on this?

I'm using LS before QS but not 100% sure where to place DS, SD, MR, FB

It's just a general question on these really

LS/QS is a good combo like you say because it gives a better chance for QS to kill after the LS scratches.

Other combos that can be useful are:

Sap/DS: If the sapped card gets in a kill, it is forced to scratch the next card, so DS can dodge that.

Sap/DR: For similar reasons ad Sap/DS. If the sapped card gets in a kill, its scratch is unlikely to kill the next card - DR will do the job without the card using a turn, so hopefully it will strike first against the next card.

SD/QS: Not used very often, but if your SD procs, then ATB will reset. If the opponent's card wasn't killed by the SD, QS can finish the job. I personally don't really care for this combo, but it works for some people.

SD/MR: Same idea as SD/QS. If SD procs and ATB resets, MR can confuse the opponent and let it kill itself. To me this is more useful than SD/QS because SD will more often than not kill the opponent card, so MR will give a chance to have a fresh card kill itself.

Mana Martyr/DR: This is a newer concept that is being pioneered by Mir, and I think it's really creative and has a LOT of potential in chains (props to you Mir! Big Grin). Mana martyr with a leveled Asmodeus is almost certain to prevent the affected card from double-casting, so it is forced to scratch, allowing the DR card to (hopefully) finish it off.

SD as a stand-alone for your finisher can be quite useful too. When you are the attacker, if your last card is killed but SD activates and kills the defender's last card, you still win the battle with 0 cards left. When you are defender and your last card's SD kills the attacker's last card, the attacker will win (so advantage is always for the attacker, but you don't really care about this if you are defending anyway).

I don't think of FB as a skill that pairs with neighboring cards. It does nothing to help if you face a phys attacker but is quite helpful against casters. But there isn't an easy way to predict what card it will come up against unless you are writing down decks.

I've probably missed some combos, but I hope this is a good start!

How about LS-DR combo?

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RE: Official deck help thread 01-21-2014, 08:46 PM
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Post ^Why? @Rommel.

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RE: Official deck help thread 01-21-2014, 10:20 PM
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(01-21-2014 03:49 PM)Remini Wrote:  
(01-21-2014 11:36 AM)Exanna Wrote:  Hey, I'm in masters coliseum (low rank, I don't have time enough to rush in.. Always B+ but not now..)
My Team:
- Chaotic Graeae middle stoned (Death +2, +3, darkness +4) (know it's wrong I'm looking for a rebirth partner..)
- AceR Cethlenn LS (DR, physh +4, FB)
- Chaotic Siren middle stoned (death +4, poison +4, revive)
- IntelR Levi HS (physh +3, water +4, revive)
- Brave Ladon LS (FB, DEF -20%, psych +4)
- Brave Nike LS (WIS +20%, wind +4, revive)
- Bold Behemoth LS (ATK/DEF +10%, LS, physh +4)
- Chao Nova Titan almost FS (psych +4, earth +4, LS)
- Sexy Ungur (heal, light +3, light +4)
- Brave DT (mecha +4, WIS +20%, psych +3)


Bench:
Chao old Phoenix LS, Brave Selkie clean, Ace Gilgamesh, Mighty int AB pair (I'm going to rebirth him to Wise, is he a good card and a good value?), Cool Puca (leveling), non-bordered MMT pair..

Which guardian should I switch with the ace Gilgamesh? (I know I'm not rich.. I've discovered the forum really late..). Thanks for your time Smile!

I would actually swap more cards...forgot about to add lvl to your cards. Added that to the template. I assume, most of them are lvl 60, unless those stated as reborn. Masters don't allow Mighty cards, so your AB must be saved for Vets coli.

Deck line-up:
Brave Selkie
Acer Cethlenn
Bold Behemoth
Brave DT
Brave Nike
Brave Ladon
Chao Nova Titan
Chao Siren
Ace Gilgamesh
IntR Levi

When you have reborn your Graeae and skill set(Death+3, MR, Revive) place her where Siren is and put Siren where Levi is. That means to drop Levi then.
Hope you will have some success with this line-up.

Thanks! And I know bordered cards aren't for Masters Smile, I wanted to know if he's still a bordered beast Smile. But this is really going to help!

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RE: Official deck help thread 01-21-2014, 11:49 PM (This post was last modified: 01-21-2014 11:50 PM by Minami_Itsuki.)
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Post Hi, i need help to know the best line up for my deck.

Coliseum type:Veteran

Deck:
Fast Carmilla lv.60 (MR , death+3, dark+4)
Wise Mighty Titania lv 70 ( DS, wis-40 , dark+4)
Chaotic Iblis lv 60 (sap, physic+4 , SD)
IntelR IQ lv 70 ( DS, water+4, EP)
Wise Mighty nike claus lv 70 (sap, wind+4, revive)
Bold Graeae lv 70 (MR, death+3, revive)
BraveR idun o lantern lv 70 ( FB, Water+4, def+25)
AceR Snegurochka lv 70 (DS, water+4, sap)
IntelR ungur lv 70 (EP, Light+4, wis+25)
Berserk Mighty Horsemaiden Sleipnir lv 70 (sap, Blood Gambit, QS)

Aura:
Jenn lv.3 (def+15%)
Alcyone lv.3 (DS+5%)

Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. Big Grin

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RE: Official deck help thread 01-22-2014, 01:22 AM
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Post Thanks for all replies on Special ability combos.
Is there a thread listing success probability for each special ability somewhere
or is someone able to list please?

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RE: Official deck help thread 01-22-2014, 03:26 AM
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(01-21-2014 08:46 PM)capodad Wrote:  ^Why? @Rommel.

Just want to know his opinion on LS-DR because he doesn't mention it. Smile

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RE: Official deck help thread 01-22-2014, 04:01 AM
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Post Wann's Try this as well i think my decking is pretty good but maybe I can do something better Big Grin

Coli: vets rank S/A+ A if I sleep during end rush which takes place at 4am for me >.>

All lvl 70 FS/fsemp
1) mighty berserk succ (agi20 QS LS)
2) AceR OS (QS LS light4)
3) bold gandring (QS agi20 phys4)
4) AceR andro (FB wis25 water4)
5) mighty bold Abby (sap DR Sd)
6) mighty sonic Selkie (QS sap water4)
7) stalwart mino (DR LS GS)
8) AceR camey (QS MR death4)
9) AceR nike (wind4 wis25 revive)
10) AceR omega (light4 Sd wis20)

Red aura: Grendel lvl 3
Blue aura: zmey lvl 3

Bench
Mighty coolR Dagon (earth1 lightning1 revive)
AceR Cthulhu (EP atkwis10 fire4)
AceR hnix (revive QS poison4)

Red aura: lucifuge lvl 3
Blue aura: yatagarasu lvl 3

Reasoning:

Succ starter works really good against common starters like PCI mmi (except sonic) mighty Santa nike, mighty sonic Abby and Selkie and anything else that has no QS, OS and gandring for more QS-LS combo, andro as a filler becaus I don't have much options followed by mighty Abby for a potential triple kill and Selkie for QS finish if Sd/DR wasn't enough to kill the card which works really good atm > another kill with ele, mino jumps in with more DR and a strong LS with finishing made by camey mr death then nike for some speedy attack and revive and omega for Sd finish although he's a bit slow.

Thanks in advance for the help I appreciate it Big Grin

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RE: Official deck help thread 01-22-2014, 04:35 AM (This post was last modified: 01-22-2014 04:51 AM by Cupidsoul.)
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(01-21-2014 11:49 PM)Minami_Itsuki Wrote:  Hi, i need help to know the best line up for my deck.

Coliseum type:Veteran

Deck:
Fast Carmilla lv.60 (MR , death+3, dark+4)
Wise Mighty Titania lv 70 ( DS, wis-40 , dark+4)
Chaotic Iblis lv 60 (sap, physic+4 , SD)
IntelR IQ lv 70 ( DS, water+4, EP)
Wise Mighty nike claus lv 70 (sap, wind+4, revive)
Bold Graeae lv 70 (MR, death+3, revive)
BraveR idun o lantern lv 70 ( FB, Water+4, def+25)
AceR Snegurochka lv 70 (DS, water+4, sap)
IntelR ungur lv 70 (EP, Light+4, wis+25)
Berserk Mighty Horsemaiden Sleipnir lv 70 (sap, Blood Gambit, QS)

Aura:
Jenn lv.3 (def+15%)
Alcyone lv.3 (DS+5%)

Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. Big Grin

Tbh too many non reborns with no bench cards.
I can't seem to deck an arrangement that might at all improve ur ranks. This should flutter From B+ to A OR solely depending on how u build ur streak or rush on 1st day u might squeeze into A+ assumming most of ur cards are FSemp

Only suggestion maybe is to swap ur Jenn if u find all ur cards still getting 1hko'd to brynhilder for more dmg.

U can consider trading off Sneg for a few mid tier acers/ best types could get u in better ranks and maybe a constant mighty every week. I doubt she can kill 2 in a deck at all.. Mine barely kills one..

And from the looks of it ur current arrangement is already ok, except u can swap ungur to 2nd and mighty berserk HM to 3rd place and Iblis to last place.

Ungur is slow and he will kill of whatever Carm fails to kill. If MR fails she probably won't kill anything with her dark or unlucky death

As a 2nd card Ungur will potentially run into some sappers, if sapped he can prolly still survive a sonic Selkie cast or an M Abby DR with his hpand give an ironfist punch. mighty zerk has will come in and finish off the weak punched card with a strong QS

U can bump for a second opinion though

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RE: Official deck help thread 01-22-2014, 04:41 AM (This post was last modified: 01-22-2014 04:57 AM by Zanmai.)
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Post Woosh! Nice guide here and help for those in need especially me!! Lol

Vet Coli : A+ to S cos at times damn lazy to work too hard lol...leave coli tix for next week lol

All lvl 70 FS/fsemp
1) Mighty Sonic HMS (QS BG Sap)
2) Acer Selkie (QS Sap Water4)
3) Acer Schehz (FB wis25 Fire4)
4) Sonic Rubicante (Atk20 Atk25 Phy4)
5) Mighty Stalwart Rubi (Wis25 LS Dark4) <<<< still unsure of LS and lvling
6) Acer Apoc Beast IF <<<< again unsure but Cupid advice is to go Wis caster
7) Great Sonic HMS (QS SD Phy4)
8) Sonic Hino (Fire4 SD wis25)
9) Sonic Iblis (Sap SD MR)
10) AceR Sneg (Sap Water4 DS)

Red aura: Kaneki lvl 3
Blue aura: Yata lvl 3

Bench : Sonic Greaea (MR Death3 Rev) Mighty Bold sucellus (Agi25 QS LS) Mighty Wise Nike Claus (Sap revive Tornado4)

Reasoning :

Actually the above deck is a work in progress as I have tried a lot of idea how to mix around etc..I'm going for a few bomber mans due to awaiting for new aura lol..

I don't have such good card like PCI @ Mighty MMI @ Nike Claus (sonic) so was wondering the best combination to work this out as I believe I have quite close to Fire deck squad Hence I plan on mixing in Sappers and blowers. Ain't seriously sure this will 100% work as pure luck as well..

1) as mentioned start with ur fastest? No Sonic MMI or Pci here lol...
2) Acer Selkie always give me good kills and sapping is proving useful after the first
3) Well flat chest is good for tanking...oops..lol ain't sure her real name spells correctly..well at least it tanks and kills
4) Sonic rubi with Kaneki is surely faster than a lot..but again it can kill but not tank
5) Mighty Stalwart rubi << tanker with LS?and what's more caster damage
6) Apo Beast well can tank I believe and even sapped still can scratch?
7) After Apo left backs of scratching most likely a QS from a Great sexy HMS would help if fails to kill SD is there to help out(again purely luck)
8 & 9) hmmm...Double blower? Well only Iblis I have also can sap..
10) Sneg..help me DS after sapping ppl and killing it lol

Question : should I get mighty Apo?Cos it's sure hard to know what's best type...sonic?wise?bold?

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RE: Official deck help thread 01-22-2014, 05:34 AM
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(01-22-2014 04:01 AM)Vladeey Wrote:  Wann's Try this as well i think my decking is pretty good but maybe I can do something better Big Grin

Coli: vets rank S/A+ A if I sleep during end rush which takes place at 4am for me >.>

All lvl 70 FS/fsemp
1) mighty berserk succ (agi20 QS LS)
2) AceR OS (QS LS light4)
3) bold gandring (QS agi20 phys4)
4) AceR andro (FB wis25 water4)
5) mighty bold Abby (sap DR Sd)
6) mighty sonic Selkie (QS sap water4)
7) stalwart mino (DR LS GS)
8) AceR camey (QS MR death4)
9) AceR nike (wind4 wis25 revive)
10) AceR omega (light4 Sd wis20)

Red aura: Grendel lvl 3
Blue aura: zmey lvl 3

Bench
Mighty coolR Dagon (earth1 lightning1 revive)
AceR Cthulhu (EP atkwis10 fire4)
AceR hnix (revive QS poison4)

Red aura: lucifuge lvl 3
Blue aura: yatagarasu lvl 3

Reasoning:

Succ starter works really good against common starters like PCI mmi (except sonic) mighty Santa nike, mighty sonic Abby and Selkie and anything else that has no QS, OS and gandring for more QS-LS combo, andro as a filler becaus I don't have much options followed by mighty Abby for a potential triple kill and Selkie for QS finish if Sd/DR wasn't enough to kill the card which works really good atm > another kill with ele, mino jumps in with more DR and a strong LS with finishing made by camey mr death then nike for some speedy attack and revive and omega for Sd finish although he's a bit slow.

Thanks in advance for the help I appreciate it Big Grin


Like u said, u got the idea already, not much I can imput but pointing a few things just as a discussion from what I feel u will bump into once u hit the top 100. I've been rushing one 1st day lor the past 1 month+.. I really can't recall how 100-200 decks are like anymore... Confused

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i. Like u said, berserk succ loses to mighty sonic MMI, cuz MMI double scratches u back on LS. If this happens, ur OS will QS kill him.

But how often does ur OS bump into AceR Selkie , QS u saps and kills u and breaking ur QS LS combo?

If this happens a lot, moving M sonic Selkie here will be better for an faster sap OR bold gandring as a QS to finish opposing starter gets QS and sapped but scratches back. Then QS from Carm to finish

ii. If ur combo for OS were to work with cast & LS scratch does a bold gandring have enough atk to QS kill?

2. How badly does M bold Abby need a QS behind him.. I used an ero and my SD always killed if proc so I'm not sure abt Bold. But if his SD is already killing most of the time, Nike/ andro can follow him instead of wasting the Selkie who will be a very good 2nd or 10th card. Or alternately OS to ensure at least 1 kill. I use OS as a solo card nowadays to secure 1 kill for her weak QS/Cast/LS scratch

3. Reason for the above is, I have a m sonic Selkie myself and u WILL find 8/10 decks ending with Iblis in top 100. Selkie is an immediate counter with a fast sap for all those AceR Iblis Enders..

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