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More card analysis - Prometheus - 03-12-2016 10:10 AM

Me and bloodyprokiller are working together on card analysis. I'm gonna try to see if we can sometime combine the posts to make one long list of analysis, it'll come together soon. So here's what I got:

Tier system:
-SS
-S
-A
-B
-C
-D

-The tier system is to help people compare cards and see which one is overall stronger or works better in the meta. The tier system is only applicable when comparing two cards of a similar level of typing. For example, when using the tier system, aceR can be compared to aceR, bold can be compared to wise, sonic with sonic, etc.

-Name: Archmage Arcana
-Attribute: Wind
-Caster Type: Elemental
-Tier Rating: S
-Rebirth Combination(s): Archmage Arcana, Prismatic Slime
-Rebirth Skill: Shadow Deft Step
-Recommended Lv 60 Skill Set: Sap, Wis-20%, Nova Meteor
-Recommended Lv 70 Skill Set: Sap, Nova Meteor, Shadow Deft Step
-Recommended Types: Ace>Wise/Sonic>Fast>Int>Cool/brave/Stalwart>Powerful/Berserk>chaotic/Bold
-Pros: Has both shadow deft step and sap. If sap activates, it allows Archmage arcana to get a potential double kill. High wisdom and speed with size able amounts of HP.
-General Description: Overall a strong card, and is core in wind decks because of his good OHKO potential and sap. A card that has a good possibility to kill 2 cards. Shadow deft step makes it a counter to many popular decks such as lightning and fire.

-Name: Aglona
-Attribute: Water
-Caster Type: Physical
-Tier Rating: A+
-Rebirth Combination(s): Aglona, Prismatic Slime
-Rebirth Skill: Healing Light
-Recommended Lv 60 Skill Set: Impervious, Agi+10%, Laevateinn
-Recommended Lv 70 Skill Set: Impervious, Laevateinn, Healing Light
-Recommended Types: Ace>Sonic>Bold>Fast>Chaotic>stalwart>Cool/Brave/Powerful>Sexy/Erotic/Wise/Intelligent
-Pros: Very tanky, good attack, has healing light plus impervious
-General Description: Very tanky card with surprisingly high stats. High HP, attack, def, and wisdom. Can't be sapped and can reduce enemy mp with laevateinn, as well as she's able regen HP back up with healing light after tanking a hit. An overall great card and definitely an essential to a water deck. Can be seen as a counterpart to ancient fang.

-Name: Princess Arthur
-Attribute: Lightning
-Caster Type: Physicial
-Tier Rating: A
-Rebirth Combination(s): Princess Arthur, Prismatic Slime
-Rebirth Skill: Soul Taker
-Recommended Lv 60 Skill Set: Quick Strike, ???, Reapers luck
-Recommended Lv 70 Skill Set: Quick Strike, Reapers luck, Soul taker
-Recommended Types: AceR>Sonic>Fast>Bold>Stalwart>Cool/Brave/Powerful/Berserk>Intelligent/Wise
-Pros: Lightning’s 2nd fastest card and is currently lightning’s best lead. It works really well with the severing shadow that is now one of the best auras to use for a lightning deck. Princess Arthur if put alongside severing shadow can often kill 2 cards granted they don't have deft step, divine shield, or sap.
-General Description: High agility, High attack, medium other stats. very good lead for lightning decks. Works very well against other leads such as Clotho of summertide as reapers luck shuts down self destruct. It also works well against revive leads. Overall, Princess Arthur is a very fast card with high attack that works very well in lightning decks who run either enfield or sev shadow. I would say that it's a core card for all lightning decks.

-Name: Virsago
-Attribute: Earth
-Caster Type: Physical
-Tier Rating: B+
-Rebirth Combination(s): Virsago, Prismatic slime
-Rebirth Skill: Revival
-Recommended Lv 60 Skill Set: Deadly poison, def+25%, Lifeleech
-Recommended Lv 70 Skill Set: Deadly poison, Lifeleech, Revival
-Recommended Types: Sonic>Ace>fast>Bold/Chaotic>Stalwart/cool/brave>intelligent>powerful
-Pros: So far is the only deadly poison card in earth. Can function without Addanc because Lifeleech should do enough damage to have deadly poison finish a card off. Can chain deadly poison quite well due to decent speed and having Lifeleech.
-General Description: Medium stats. Good card for earth decks, but I wouldn't call it a core card like ancient fang or ganconer. Still is a great asset for earth decks however. Works well without Addanc, and has revive for a second chance at chaining deadly poison. Overall, this card works well with earth decks, but is kind of only limited to earth.

-Name: Vulcan
-Attribute: Fire
-Caster Type: Physical
-Tier Rating: A+
-Rebirth Combination(s): Vulcan, Prismatic slime
-Rebirth Skill: Shadow Self Destruct
-Recommended Lv 60 Skill Set: Divine Shield, Gigant Smash, ???
-Recommended Lv 70 Skill Set: Divine Shield, Gigant Smash, Shadow Self Destruct
-Recommended Types: AceR/Sonic>Bold/Erotic/Fast>Chaotic/Sexy>Cool>Intelligent/Powerful>Wise/Berserk/Brave>Stalwart
-Pros: Has shadowed Self destruct and divine shield,, meaning that it is well suited for either a lead or closing position. Lacks OHKO issues because of Gigant smash. Resists aroundight/laevateinn with divine shield.
-General Description: A very strong fire card, definitely core for fire decks. It works generally very well in a finisher or lead position, as that's where it's shadow self destruct can be utilized fully. It is weak to sap however, as well has mind rift. Overall, Vulcan is a very strong card with good skills that compliment each other. Vulcan is used primarily in fire decks, but can fit into a Hercules/ares deck.

-Name: Elpis
-Attribute: Light
-Caster Type: Elemental
-Tier Rating: A
-Rebirth Combination(s): Elpis, Prismatic Slime
-Rebirth Skill: Mind Crash
-Recommended Lv 70 Skill Set: Divine Shield, Nova Meteor, Mind Crash
-Recommended Types: Ace>Wise>Sonic>Cool/Stalwart/Brave>Powerful/Berserk>Chaotic/Bold
-Pros: Good wisdom, has nova meteor which increases OHKO potential. Also has mind crash which chains nicely with quick strike or nimble jinx. Divine shield allows for more survivability and resistance against aroundight/laevateinn/reapers luck/banish.
-General Description: A good card in a light deck. Not considered core in light as she is replaceable, but definitely still works quite well in light decks. Her high wisdom allows for higher OHKO potential with nova meteor. Divine shield and mind crash help with extra utility and damage. Overall, she is a good asset to a light deck and performs her job well.

-Name: Neo Chaos
-Attribute: Poison
-Caster Type: Physical
-Tier Rating: S+
-Rebirth Combination(s): Neo Chaos, Prismatic Slime
-Rebirth Skill: Crystallize
-Recommended Lv 70 Skill Set: Deadly Poison, Soul Taker, Crystallize
-Recommended Types: Sonic>Ace>Fast>Bold/Chaotic>Brave/Stalwart/Cool>Intelligent/Wise>Powerful/Berserk
-Pros: Crystallize+Soul taker guarantees a kill on anyone without impervious. If placed behind an entrust card, neo chaos can chain deadly poison extremely well. Overall good stats.
-General Description: Very much a core card in poison decks, and he works extremely efficiently with addanc. Very good card if placed in the right position, and can pretty much secure one kill with a high chance of obtaining more. Synergizes well with other fast cards (to be placed after him) as well as entrust cards that pass on agility to him.i don't recommend taker reapers luck instead of crystallize unless you plan on using him in a poison/severing shadow deck. Also, the skill set with crystallize instead of reapers luck is generally valued more in the market. .


RE: More card analysis - Agent42 - 03-12-2016 10:32 AM

Great analysis!


RE: More card analysis - Xenartrus - 03-12-2016 10:47 AM

Uhm. Fire is kind of a wrong type for Arcana to counter (IMO) since most of its physical casters, Nefarran and Duma kind of limits him with just one kill. At best Arcana plays quite the same with Fire when it is against Earth/Poison.

On the other hand. Arcana works well against most of the following: lightning, light, and mecha due to having lots of physical casters in its latest rosters of cards.

Just my two cents as a wind user Smile

Oh, Virsago can actually run in other decks Smile

He can work well when placed in a revival deck. Like for example, when he gets Entrust for bonus (more likely Iris). He can chain then.

Ah, and I think there is a possibility that he can also chain as AceR FS in any random deck. Earth aura users do not FS him to chain, so if my analysis is correct, when he is FS, he can still chain with DP. <- Just a guess

I dont know, I just got surprised he ranked B+ lol. Virsago is as deadly as Neo Chaos when placed correctly. And honestly? Aside from Vulcan, I find it hard to believe that unless AceR, Princess Arthur, Aglona, Elpis and even Neo Chaos can perform well when outside their respective element auras. They dont run status altering skills, and OHKO problems are sure as well. I'm pretty sure they're as limited as Virsago.


RE: More card analysis - Bloodyprokiller - 03-12-2016 11:10 AM

(03-12-2016 10:47 AM)Xenartrus Wrote:  Uhm. Fire is kind of a wrong type for Arcana to counter (IMO) since most of its physical casters, Nefarran and Duma kind of limits him with just one kill. At best Arcana plays quite the same with Fire when it is against Earth.

On the other hand. Arcana works well against most of the following: lightning, light, and mecha due to having lots of physical casters in its latest rosters of cards.

Just my two cents as a wind user Smile
He has shadow deft step, so duma cant hurt him at all. Laevateinn can be deft stepped...
Nefarran is indeed annoying to most cards.


RE: More card analysis - Xenartrus - 03-12-2016 11:26 AM

(03-12-2016 11:10 AM)Bloodyprokiller Wrote:  
(03-12-2016 10:47 AM)Xenartrus Wrote:  Uhm. Fire is kind of a wrong type for Arcana to counter (IMO) since most of its physical casters, Nefarran and Duma kind of limits him with just one kill. At best Arcana plays quite the same with Fire when it is against Earth.

On the other hand. Arcana works well against most of the following: lightning, light, and mecha due to having lots of physical casters in its latest rosters of cards.

Just my two cents as a wind user Smile
He has shadow deft step, so duma cant hurt him at all. Laevateinn can be deft stepped...
Nefarran is indeed annoying to most cards.

Hmm, but Arcana can't ohko Duma, not to mention Duma has Revive and Persevere as back up. That is why I said this limits Arcana, unless he saps Duma, there is a high chance his mp would deplete before he kills him, and Duma would then scratch him to death lol. The same goes with Nefarran's entrust, it renders Arcana useless for the next card.

I compared Fire with Earth since GJT is a bomb, this kills Arcana. Last versions probably, fire (Ra) and Earth (Freyr, Danntag, and Grandes Jorasses) were really weak against Arcana, but now new cards can replace them XD. Poison is also relative to Arcana, if it finds Neo Chaos after the card Arcana saps, a double kill is ensured lol. If not, let us say Poison cards arent that friendly with Wind Cards :<


RE: More card analysis - Bloodyprokiller - 03-12-2016 11:43 AM

(03-12-2016 11:26 AM)Xenartrus Wrote:  
(03-12-2016 11:10 AM)Bloodyprokiller Wrote:  
(03-12-2016 10:47 AM)Xenartrus Wrote:  Uhm. Fire is kind of a wrong type for Arcana to counter (IMO) since most of its physical casters, Nefarran and Duma kind of limits him with just one kill. At best Arcana plays quite the same with Fire when it is against Earth.

On the other hand. Arcana works well against most of the following: lightning, light, and mecha due to having lots of physical casters in its latest rosters of cards.

Just my two cents as a wind user Smile
He has shadow deft step, so duma cant hurt him at all. Laevateinn can be deft stepped...
Nefarran is indeed annoying to most cards.

Hmm, but Arcana can't ohko Duma, not to mention Duma has Revive and Persevere as back up. That is why I said this limits Arcana, unless he saps Duma, there is a high chance his mp would deplete before he kills him, and Duma would then scratch him to death lol. The same goes with Nefarran's entrust, it renders Arcana useless for the next card.

I compared Fire with Earth since GJT is a bomb, this kills Arcana. Last versions probably, fire (Ra) and Earth (Freyr, Danntag, and Grandes Jorasses) were really weak against Arcana, but now new cards can replace them XD. Poison is also relative to Arcana, if it finds Neo Chaos after the card Arcana saps, a double kill is ensured lol. If not, let us say Poison cards arent that friendly with Wind Cards :<
Oh that is so true, my neo is on a killing spree till he meets one of your patissiere Robins or archmages xD


RE: More card analysis - Agent42 - 03-12-2016 08:20 PM

My thoughts.
Other than nefarrans, duma, and ra all fire guardians are elemental. Little garnet is a physical but Deft step cant evade her attacks. Vulcan uses GS. Archmage Arcana can only take out 2 fire opponents if one of them is nefarran. An acer AA cant beat duma, maybe wise can do. Seriously duma's revive works 100% of the time lol and there's also entrust.

Overall we can say that AA has a chance to beat 2 fire cards. But there is also a risk of having asuras where AA can be beaten... I think AA has a higher chance beating 2 against light decks than fire decks IMO

Hmm for virsago, i think i understand why he's only B. Too many imp users, shadow mind rifts and divine shield nowadays. He's still annoying and deadly though lol.

I noticed that you only put sexy type on vulcan. Yes sexy vulcan is a good type
Sexy is a decent type for arcana and virsago IMO
Other than those, sexy is a bad type for the rest of them


RE: More card analysis - hanspanette - 03-12-2016 09:49 PM

well done!
i don't understand why someone give you 1 star, but i think your work is fine and a good reference for players to determine their cards' value. so i gave you more stars and hope you could con't the work if you have time.


RE: More card analysis - misterdot - 03-12-2016 09:52 PM

(03-12-2016 09:49 PM)hanspanette Wrote:  well done!
i don't understand why someone give you 1 star, but i think your work is fine and a good reference for players to determine their cards' value. so i gave you more stars and hope you could con't the work if you have time.

hmm how do I rate a thread? pardon the noob question Confused


RE: More card analysis - killerpro - 03-12-2016 10:04 PM

(03-12-2016 09:49 PM)hanspanette Wrote:  well done!
i don't understand why someone give you 1 star, but i think your work is fine and a good reference for players to determine their cards' value. so i gave you more stars and hope you could con't the work if you have time.

Beats me.. Almost all my threads are rated one star too haha..